$chickens--, a case study in physical security

pjf on 2005-09-29T00:44:33

$chickens--, a case study in physical security
I had thought that our fully enclosed chicken run would mean we would be free from successful fox attacks. This morning, at around 5am, I discovered that was not to be the case.

It strikes me that our situation is almost classical in the security world, except with chickens and foxes rather than machines and h4x0rs. The attacker only needs to find one hole to get through, so the defender needs to find and close all of them to be secure. When an attack is successful, it's important the vector is found and stopped, otherwise it will continue. Sometimes discovering the vector is hard.

As best as we can tell, the fox (after months of unsuccessful attacks) now has an excellent grasp of the physical properties of chicken wire. It discovered one location where the nails holding the wire to the fence were further apart, pushed its way down vertically, deforming the chicken wire. Once inside, it grabbed a chicken, and then appears to have squeezed out by pushing and deforming the chicken wire on flap designed to allow leaves to be washed off the coop's roof. No wonder we have the saying "as clever as a fox", and that foxes have caused such massive destruction to our local wildlife.

Today we're patching up the holes, adding more tensioning wire, and adding more nails and cable ties so there will be no locations that a determined fox can squeeze through. Will that fix the problem? Yes; for a while, until the fox discovers a new and completely unthought-of means of entry.

The correct solution to this would be "defense in depth", but even there we see the classical problem of security vs convenience. We could look the coop every night (as well as the run), but then we have to visit the chickens every day at sunrise to let them out. We could buy a dog that sleeps in the yard, but then we'd have to look after the dog. We could install motion-activated floodlights, but then we'd have spend quite a bit of time and money installing them, and the fox could just get used to the light. We could develop an amazing fox-killing robot warrior, but there's probably a council ruling against it. We could deploy a large moat of steaming acid, but then we'd need to refill the moat after rain and hot weather.

We could always buy our eggs from someone else, but I would hate to admit defeat.


use boards, not just nails

phillup on 2005-09-29T16:42:44

It discovered one location where the nails holding the wire to the fence were further apart, pushed its way down vertically, deforming the chicken wire.

Decades ago, in another lifetime, we raised chickens... and had similar issues.

We ended up building the frame, then applying the chicken wire... then applying another round of lumber on top of the chicken wire and the frame.

The chicken wire gets sandwiched between two boards all the way around, completely eleminating the possibility to deform it.

Make sure you attach the chicken wire as if it wasn't going to get the extra board on top. It should be secured by the nails... and the boards. Otherwise it is still possible to slide it around between the board sandwich. We also used those nails that are "U" shaped.

Of course... there is always under.

It's pretty damn hard to stop a hungry animal that has more time (and incentive) to throw at the problem than you do...

Attackers vs Defenders

ddick on 2005-09-30T01:21:38

Presuming you stay in a defensive posture, it seems the odds would be on you losing occasionally. The alternative response is to go on the attack and hunt down the fox. Why should the fox be the one to dictate terms? :)

Re:Attackers vs Defenders and council regulations

pjf on 2005-09-30T01:46:30

Why should the fox be the one to dictate terms?

Simple, council regulations. Shooting foxes is simply not allowed in suburbia, and with good reason. The chances of hitting a quickly moving fox, at night, in a built-up area, is virtually nil. The chances of hitting property, or worse still a person, is greater than nil.

Fox poison comes with significant regulatory burdens in the country, including signage, limit to the length that bait can be left, informing of neighbours, and distance to other properties. In suburbia it's simply not allowed. The chance of someone's cat or dog finding the poison (which may be moved and partially eaten by the fox) is too high.

We can try to trap the fox, but doing so is hard. I had previously thought that our current chicken run would trap the animal if it ever found a way in, I simply didn't anticipate it to find a way to squeeze out the leaf-exit on the roof (an opotion that has now been closed). The local council doesn't have fox traps. It's uneconomical to purchase a trap for a single fox, plus most foxes are smart enough to recognise and avoid a trap when they see one.

To top it all off, there are plenty of foxes in Melbourne. If one disappears, there's a good chance another will move into its territory.

So yes, I would dearly love to eliminate the fox entirely, but doing so is likely to be time-consuming, expensive, and only temporarily effective.

Re:Attackers vs Defenders and council regulations

ddick on 2005-09-30T03:08:03

Fair. I thought you might be living on a farm. Happy to concede that it's kinda hard/time consuming to eliminate the fox population of a city on your own.

How to protect the farm from the hungry Reynard

leriksen on 2005-11-01T00:57:58

In Norway, there is an old fable about the Tomten, a small creature, a type of nisse, that guards the farm at night when the hungry fox (often called Reynard), comes around looking for something to eat.

He doesnt fight or scare the fox, he makes a deal with it - if the fox promises to not eat any chickens, the Tomten will make a bowl of warm porridge for him when he's hungry.

I still have the book I was given, when I was born in 1964, with this story. Its one of my most precious possessions.

The moral - put someting else out that is easier for the fox to get to than the chickens - I suggest beer or ravioli....