Day changed to 05 Sep 2005
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13:54 obra: is there a meeting today? (7 minutes from now)
13:58 guess not
14:00 <@obra> Hello
14:00 <@obra> Yes
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14:16 -!- #parrotske obra H@ 0 ~jesse@69.25.201.132 [Jesse]
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14:16 <@obra> Hey chromatic.
14:17 <@obra> I've been off-net for the past 2+ days. looks like failure to send mail caused a cascading failure
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14:22 chaos at London Bridge station
14:22 signal failure or somesuch
14:23 <@obra> Yikes
14:23 <@obra> Appears almost entirely quiet here
14:23 not that unusual
14:23 I failed to send the summary last week, because of mail server failure and then forgetfulness.
14:24 do you know how the summaries of the conference call were going to be made available publicly? I thought that it was supposed to start by now
14:25 <@obra> Nicholas: I believe you want to talk to luke about that.
14:25 * chromatic agrees
14:25 OK
14:30 <@obra> so, nicholas / chromatic / mdiep.
14:30 <@obra> anything new with you and perl6?
14:31 hammered away at things last Monday and got Leo's new PMC class to do reference counting
14:31 *that* works
14:32 I now find that I'd already got ponie-specific code to track all the PMCs, to replicated the ability of perl to iterate over the SV heads at destruction time
14:32 and I've rediscovered that I had to code it carefully to allow deleting from a hash that is being iterated over
14:33 so I don't know if I can directly/easily throw it out and iterate over the new PMC-that-does-the-reference-counts
14:33 ideally all this code will go
14:33 but I don't know how parrot does global destruction
14:35 and I've not yet had time to look
14:35 I'm not sure Parrot does global destruction yet.
14:35 _exit() doesn't count.
14:35 _exit() does not
14:36 if parrot doesn't yet allow the option of global destruction, then I'm going to need to keep some sort of hack until it does
14:36 also, I don't know how weak references are going to translate into parrot
14:36 <@obra> ok. sadly, we have no chip and no leo around.
14:37 <@obra> Have you sent mail to p6i asking how they cope?
14:37 no, not yet
14:37 <@obra> ok
14:37 only just started to think about this sort of stuff
14:37 I had an outstanding design issue about finalization (for NCI) several months ago. That should go ok the B0rked list.
14:37 still feeling quite shattered after a week in Braga
14:38 as you have a firmer idea of what you need, are you able to do that?
14:38 I'm not even sure how much of the perl 5 semantics are really necessary
14:39 I don't need *reliable* destruction for that, but I do want to release resources at some point.
14:40 Sorry, I mean reliable *timely* destruction.
14:40 for the perl 5 case I don't need reliable timley
14:40 It's the "all remaining resouces must be finalised at program exit"
14:41 Not even program exit. For NCI, when using unmanaged pointers, it's nice to free them somehow.
14:42 This is important when using limited resources such as screen buffers or file descriptors, of course.
14:42 ah right
14:43 they need to be "garbage collected" in some fashion before they run out
14:43 I still think separating finalization from garbage collection is important.
14:47 <@obra> So. anything else reportish?
14:47 Not here.
14:47 yes, I agree on finalization/GC
14:48 and nothing else to report. Last commit I made was about 169 hours ago
14:48 I see Matt sent in a HLL proposal.
14:58 <@obra> So, I bet that about wraps it up for this week.
14:58 <@obra> next week, I'm home, so I'll send reminder mail
14:58 OK
14:59 Thanks. Take care, all.
14:59 I should be on time. Barring fire, floods or the usual UK rail system woes
14:59 That's why we won the Revolutionary War, you know -- better public transportation, or at least less bad.
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15:00 spot the Porland resident. :-)
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