Data Munging with Perl ripoff in Python

gnat on 2002-03-15T10:51:24

Text Processing in Python. The proposal even cites Dave's book


Data Munging in Python

davorg on 2002-03-15T11:14:33

Heh! Well they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery :)

Wonder if it had anything to do with this post from a Python mailing list.

Python

TorgoX on 2002-03-15T22:12:26

One wonder at what point Python will find some richer and more nuanced way to define itself other than just 'like Perl, but not Perl'.

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rjray on 2002-03-15T22:40:31

One wonder at what point Python will find some richer and more nuanced way to define itself other than just 'like Perl, but not Perl'.

I do not exagerrate, nor do I say this for humorous effect: Of all the Python programmers I have known, not one could explain why they like the language without first defining it in terms of some feature of Perl that they did not like. I know no Python programmers on a personal level who are not in fact disgruntled ex-Perl-programmers.

--rjray

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pudge on 2002-03-15T23:42:44

Maybe THAT'S Rindolf's target audience!

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gnat on 2002-03-16T00:09:43

You say that like it's a bad thing. We can't define Perl 6 without saying it's "like Perl 5 but not Perl 5". There's nothing wrong with trying to do better.

There's a famous quote of Larry's along the lines of "it's like sed, but better. Like awk, but better. Like shell, but better. Like C, but better. ...."

--Nat

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ziggy on 2002-03-16T03:58:03

You say that like it's a bad thing. We can't define Perl 6 without saying it's "like Perl 5 but not Perl 5".
Um, it's like Perl5, but the outdated ideas that go back to Perl1 are out the window.

I have to agree with torgox. A few pythonistas describe Python in terms of it's merits. A large number of them describe python as a cool language that doesn't have Perl's deficiencies. That's like describing a Volvo as not having the Edsel's push-button steering, nor the Pinto's exploding gas tank, nor the Audi's acceleration while still in park -- but omitting the boxy-but-safe styling and engineering that goes into a Volvo.

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jdavidb on 2002-03-18T05:34:19

cool language that doesn't have Perl's deficiencies.

And yet, the Python module system is so ad-hoc. Or it was, last I looked. They didn't think CPAN was a deficiency, did they?

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jdavidb on 2002-03-18T05:35:52

By the way, that's not meant as a flame against Python. I'm just looking for a utopian module system. I'm starting to think it's a lot like C shared libraries, CPAN, CPAN.pm, and apt-get. Only without the deficiencies.