Perl 6 Design Minutes for 13 May 2009

chromatic on 2009-06-16T20:14:44

The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 13 May 2009. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Jerry, Will, Nicholas, and chromatic attended.

Larry:

  • continuing to think about how braided languages work
  • implementing the notion in the STD parser
  • the notion of how you switch between these languages
  • now called slangs
  • thinking about how macros work in embedded lexical scopes
  • if you define a role which contains a trait auxiliary definition
  • label it is export
  • how does it export?
  • to which lexical scope?
  • when you do the role or what?
  • no defined way of exporting to outer
  • that's a problem in some tests
  • with augment slang, we have a way of embedding grammar modifications inline
  • when do ordinary macros embedded in subscopes desugar to that sort of thing?
  • %*LANG now holds the whole language braid
  • the $*PARSER variable is just the MAIN element of that
  • I backed off some of the errors in the STD parser to just warnings
  • don't really handle module and role long names yet
  • you get bogus "can't augment" warnings now
  • it thinks something isn't there that should be there and vice versa
  • fixed a test where STD needs to parse =for; now it does
  • added the slang declarator so that we could augment them
  • a twigil indicates a current slang subset of the current braid
  • fixed a bug to recognize the invocant marker after an unspace
  • that was a longest-token match problem
  • the message I added about a missing block gobbled by a function is now two separate messages
  • one talks about the function which needs parens
  • the other talks about the missing block
  • they point to two different areas as a matter of clarity
  • I'm really enjoying adding clever error messages

Patrick:

  • Rakudo now passes 11,200+ tests
  • up by 70 tests since yesterday
  • a couple of hundred in the past week
  • mostly doing little bug fixes and refactors
  • typically, I'll start to add a feature and find some code which doesn't look right
  • then I add the feature
  • slurpy arrays and hashes weren't added properly to subs
  • always added automatically regardless of the type of Block
  • I cleaned that up
  • also cleaned up lots of parameter handling in the code
  • that made actions.pm 100 lines shorter, and I removed three duplicate subroutines

c:

  • that also speeds up startup

Patrick:

  • every time we do that it helps
  • found a bug dealing with Unicode characters in grammars
  • prevented us from properly parsing French quotes as an angle delimiter
  • working on adding operator parsing to Rakudo today
  • define your own custom operators
  • refer to them using canonical names
  • expect to have that done today
  • they won't be lexically scoped
  • I'll work on fixing that, when we get more to lexical scopes and language braids
  • continuing to consider protoregexes and LTM in PGE
  • probably will implement contextual variables in NQP and Rakudo

Allison:

  • we'll have packages in Ubuntu soon
  • just a straight sync of the Debian packages
  • no reason to make Ubuntu-specific packages, if that works
  • working on editing the book
  • working on the calling conventions branch
  • writing a Parrot article

Jerry:

  • GSoC mentors and students seem to be bonding in their bonding period
  • set up parrot.org to accept donations from individuals
  • there's a sidebar link under the Foundation heading
  • and we received our first donation!
  • thank you, Bradley Kuhn
  • we'll work on placement and prominence
  • think I'll give a keynote at YAPC::NA, following Larry

Larry:

  • if you pay me enough, I'll run over

Patrick:

  • if you don't pay him, I suspect he'll run over
  • you are what stands between everybody and lunch

Will:

  • added some regression tests
  • made some stuff work in Perl 5.8.8, so we don't have to upgrade our dependency
  • wrote a script to summarize our old branches
  • convinced people to delete a bunch of old branches
  • hopefully we can weed them out
  • TPF's grant committee votes this week on the current crop of proposals
  • one of them is for Perl 6
  • if you have any comments, please post on that
  • Partcl is still dead
  • blocking on the ability to build a language from an installed Parrot
  • we've made some progress on that
  • there are still things that do not work
  • most of them have tickets

Patrick:

  • Rakudo's blocking on the same thing
  • Tene is working on getting Rakudo to run in its own HLL
  • he's blocking on the HLL load_library problem
  • I'll have him post to the list and give an update on the ticket

Nicholas:

  • Rafael has merged his smart-match branch back into blead
  • he tried to make smart-matches match ranges
  • it won't work for various reasons
  • precedence is the wrong way around for one
  • $foo ~~ [ 1, 2, [ 3 .. 5 ] ] won't work either
  • Perl 5 ranges aren't lazy
  • smart-match can't interrogate Range objects lazily
  • that's why we can't emulate everything from Perl 6
  • we don't have the low-level infrastructure to do it all
  • even if we had that infrastructure, there are parsing issues
  • I don't see that coming in a hurry
  • if someone implements lazy ranges, maybe someone can add them to smart-match
  • giving the enjoyment people derive from implementing such things, I'll be surprised if anyone does that

c:

  • added some optimizations
  • heading toward the "not really worth doing" kind
  • fixed some bugs
  • including a Unicode parsing bug with named parameters and arguments in IMCC

Nicholas:

  • did you write about the abolition of unary equals, Patrick?

Patrick:

  • not yet
  • I feel badly about that
  • I need to catch up
  • there are so many interesting problems to work on
  • writing is not as interesting as working on code


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