I've just read the piece by TPF regarding the list of projects suggested for the Summer of Code project.
Top of the list leaves me a little confused:
Automated smoke testing for CPAN
Isn't this the CPAN::YACSmoke / yacsmoke project that Robert Rothenberg and I have been working on? And a talk about which I plan to do at YAPC::Europe.
Does this mean The Perl Foundation don't see this as a worthwhile project and want yet another project to go through the hardship of coding the automated testing of CPAN. Or have I missed something? Both Robert and I have put in a lot of personal time and effort in doing this. It seems a bit odd to suggest doing something else to replace it! I really hope I've missed the intent of this suggestion.
BTW Talk Schedules for YAPC::Europe are now online.
The short answer is "I don't know" and the long answer is "I don't know". I would ask them though. It might have been a simple oversight on their part.
Having worked on an issue with you on Data::Phrasebook I would hope that it isn't a snub as you were great to work with.
Robert
Re:Take a deep breath
barbie on 2005-06-03T09:07:42
The list is pretty fresh, as the entries came from suggestions from members of the TPF in the last week. Others involved in TPF have commented on their surprise at the entry being there.The yacsmoke project could use some ideas, which is one of the reasons I'm doing the talk in Braga, to get some suggestions. There are at least 2 other automated CPAN testing projects on CPAN, so we're not alone either.
The knee-jerk reaction, wasn't a "the world hates me" response. It was a genuine confusion as to why anyone would suggest starting another project when there are 3 others on going. All 3 are fairly small projects and personally I don't feel they warrant a $4500 grant to work on them. If nothing else, there should perhaps be a better description as to what each list entry involves, which might have avoided any confusion.
Re:Take a deep breath
brian_d_foy on 2005-06-03T09:50:12
Instead of reacting here, why didn't you just ask TPF and get the real answer? Instead of solving the problem, you over-reacted.
It's just a list of ideas. It's not a judgement.
You're estimation of the grant is out of whack too. It's for students who want an introduction to open source. Students and interns take a long time to get things done. Google wants to give the money away, Google wants people to work on open source projects, but you're now saying "Don't work on mine". What do you care how much Google wants to pay? It's not your money.
Stop being a dick and start making some friends. don't let your attitude be the one that introduces people to open source.Re:Take a deep breath
barbie on 2005-06-03T10:30:44
And I certainly hope your remarks are not an introduction to those interested in open source. At least I wasn't being personally insulting.Re:Take a deep breath
brian_d_foy on 2005-06-03T11:08:56
I hope it is an introduction: just because it's open source doesn't mean you can act like you do. I have a problem with how you're personally handling this. You want to scream and stamp your feet and point fingers so students who want to participate in the Summer of Code stay away from your pet project. You've had this problem before.
I'm calling a spade a spade.Re:Take a deep breath
sigzero on 2005-06-03T16:08:33
I have personally dealt with Barbie and had no issues with him. In fact, he helped to work around a problem that I was having. Maybe it was a "knee jerk reaction" but name calling is never the right thing to do. Even if you are "right".Re:Take a deep breath
vek on 2005-06-14T17:04:06
Stop being a dick and start making some friends.
And there's nothing like personally insulting someone in a public forum that says 'welcome to open source'.
Sigh.
(And sorry not to respond earlier, but I just saw this journal entry a few minutes ago.)
On a semi-related note: please feel free to email us when you have problems. TPF isn't a huge impenetrable organization. We're just a small group of volunteers doing the best we can. We make mistakes sometimes and sometimes don't communicate clearly, but we're glad to be corrected and glad to talk things through.
Allison
