"But at night I'd have these wonderful dreams
Some kind of sensuous treat
Not zucchini, fettucini, or bulgur wheat
But a big, warm bun and a huge hunk of meat" -- Jimmy Buffett
If you're a hardcore carnivore and in the Northern Virginia / Washington, D.C. area, I highly recommend a stop by chaoticset on 2001-12-16T15:15:42 Meat tastes good; that's why I'm having trouble switching to a non-meat diet. Specifically, my mother makes these little pork-choppety things called 'schnitzel', and I could eat those things the rest of my life. Tiny, breaded, juicy little things. Hamburgers, the real kind you describe, play a significant role in this process as well.