Dear Log,
A mostly creepy article: "'I don't come here for the conversation'", subtitled "Why do ordinary, respectable men visit prostitutes? These interviews with customers at Australian brothels provide a rare insight into how some men see not just sex, but women".
Re:The only goal of your post...
hfb on 2002-04-16T21:57:10
You don't know Sean vewwy well do you?
:) I keep waiting for a brothel to open up a 'superstore' so that these guys can pick up a 6-pack of beer, some bread, milk and cheese along with 30 minutes of 'service'. I mean, treating sex the ways these guys do it's amusing they don't see the connection between their feelings of ineptitude and women not being satisfied. I don't have much hope for this ever changing since both sides of the equation collude to ensure its perpetuation.
The computer guy was just as pathetic, imprisoned and victimised by a lifetime of cultural stereotyping as many geeks are but claim otherwise since they have the lie of 'digital enlightenment' to puff up their chest. I considered opening a brothel for geeks which would feature a lara croft among other female icons of the geek world since it would be hugely popular...The Byte Ranch
:) The only part I thought scary was the repeating theme of men not wanting to use condoms at the brothel. duh.
Re:The only goal of your post...
mir on 2002-04-17T10:16:01
The computer guy was just as pathetic, imprisoned and victimised by a lifetime of cultural stereotyping as many geeks are but claim otherwise since they have the lie of 'digital enlightenment' to puff up their chest.I know that's one of your (many!) favourite theories: all male geeks are disfonctional, socially impaired, loners who can't get laid despite all their pathetic efforts. But really, facts seem to contradict you. Most members (pun not intended) of the Perl community are happily married/living in sin, some even with kids (hi Pudge, stay away from this discussion, you're too busy for this now
;--). In fact very few seem to fit the typical geek stereotype (no names!). BTW what's your theory about female geeks?
Re:The only goal of your post...
TorgoX on 2002-04-17T10:43:07
I know that's one of your (many!) favourite theories: all male geeks are disfonctional, socially impaired, loners who can't get laid despite all their pathetic efforts. But really, facts seem to contradict you. Most members (pun not intended) of the Perl community[...]My experience is that the Perl people are quite atypical. Most other kinds of programmers I've interacted with are much more likely to be like something out of Confederacy of Dunces.
You let 'em write a dozen lines of COBOL and they think they're the Messiah. Stand in awe of their searing Usenet rants! Worship their infantile idea of debate! (Namely: "You have opinions, I have facts" and, when in doubt, repeat it louder this time) Admire their firm conviction that their way is the only way! Listen to their cooing about how you've GOT to read Cryptonomicon! Stay awake as they harangue you uselessly about software patents!
Re:The only goal of your post...
hfb on 2002-04-17T14:40:43
You may have missed that half of the men in the brothel were married. Also, I said 'many' but not 'all'. Just because you can find someone to marry you doesn't mean you don't have completely fucked up ideas about women. The perl community is no poster child for enlightened men. You're just being a typical geek while believing WYSIWYG which never works with people....though it would be nice if it did
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Elian on 2002-04-17T15:46:12
Is there a community that's a poster child for enlightened anyone? It's been my experience that the best you can hope for is the odd individual here or there. Communities, as a whole, seem to get stupider and less enlightened the more people that are in them.Re:The only goal of your post...
TorgoX on 2002-04-17T16:17:08
Is there a community that's a poster child for enlightened anyone?Yes, I've always thought that the problem of how to increase the intelligence of groups is a for more serious and urgent problem than how to increase the intelligence of individuals.
Re:The only goal of your post...
hfb on 2002-04-17T17:25:15
Alas, this is where the homicidal thoughts begin...:)
Re:The only goal of your post...
TorgoX on 2002-04-17T17:52:36
" There's always some killing you've got to do around the farm." -- Tom WaitsRe:The only goal of your post...
hfb on 2002-04-17T20:20:30
Oh, I don't know if quantity and volume are directly correlated with intelligence as the KKK is a small group of people with a consistently stupid population since stupidity is the entrance fee.
:) I have heard guys around these parts ask why there aren't more women in technology then proceed to talk about porn then say that marrying an intelligent woman proves they are all for treating women as equals in technology soo.....even on the individual level there seems to be a huge gap in understanding on what enlightenment in this particular area really means.
Re:The only goal of your post...
Elian on 2002-04-17T21:32:32
Never said a small group is a guarantee of enlightenment, just that a large one (for values of large in excess of 1 person sometimes) are usually a guarantee of, well, stupidity, ignorance, and/or boorish behaviour.
Can't say that I found the article particularly shocking. "You aren't implying that men who visit prostitutes are emotional underdeveloped with adolescent opinions about sex, are you?" The poor bastards interviewed didn't seem to be expressing anything different than a Porky's film. I'd rather have these numbnuts screwing hookers than marrying someone just for sex. It's a shame some of these clods do both. A good friend of mine once said of sex: "everyone wants to dominate and be dominated at some point in their lives." I have yet to find a more succinct phrasing of the complex behaviors associated with human sexuality (with all due respect to Prof. Buffet's Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw).
