Thatââ¬â¢s right; a real one.
If you havenââ¬â¢t read his old stuff, you should. Donââ¬â¢t worry if it takes a while; Iââ¬â¢m still chewing through the material. He has a lot of smart things to say, whether or not they are news to you.
Just ignore the fact that he hates Perl (wink).
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
Aristotle on 2006-03-18T23:33:26
*boggle*
I don’t have a Wikipedia entry either. Why are you reading my journal?
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
bart on 2006-03-19T00:58:06
You don't hate Perl.Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
Aristotle on 2006-03-19T07:27:43
That’s not a particularly useful criterion; it takes you right back to Dominus’ Why I hate advocacy. And, you know, the statement isn’t even completely accurate…
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
merlyn on 2006-03-19T07:10:38
You post to use.perl. I read everyone at use.perl.An announcement is more effective if you give a bit of context. Otherwise, you're just preaching to the choir. Don't presume everyone who reads your announcement knows everything you do... otherwise, why would you be making the announcement?
It's like the slashdot posts that say "New version of Hipster now available! This is exciting!" And I go, "what the hell is Hipster?". Bad announce. Sigh.
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
Aristotle on 2006-03-19T07:35:16
Conceded. Your response wasn’t the best way to communicate that, though; it would have come across as much more neutral without the Wikipedia clause.
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
merlyn on 2006-03-19T15:37:58
Wikipedia is surprisingly complete as of late. Almost everything that I've gone to wikipedia for, I've seen something interesting, and yes, it's been surprising, but it's also started setting the bar for "worth knowing".Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
jdavidb on 2006-04-10T18:52:58
It's like the slashdot posts that say "New version of Hipster now available! This is exciting!" And I go, "what the hell is Hipster?". Bad announce. Sigh.
I did that about AJAX for about three months. I hate it when a new term springs up and people use it like anyone who doesn't know it is just not in the "in-crowd." It's so high-school.
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
Aristotle on 2006-04-10T19:46:38
Except for, “Steve Yegge” is not a “new term” that didn’t “spring up”…
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
jdavidb on 2006-04-10T20:45:10
Didn't intend to imply that. I was spiralling off-topic into discussing the way terms spring up on slashdot.
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
Aristotle on 2006-04-10T21:26:07
Ah, okay.
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
merlyn on 2006-04-11T04:29:14
Steve Yegge is a new term to me. Like I said before, if you already knew who it was, this was a sane announcement. But that's presuming quite a bit about your audience, and undermines the difference you might be making.Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
btilly on 2006-03-19T06:19:24
He's a guy who worked at Amazon (he moved on to a startup), tries to learn stuff, and got in the habit of expressing his opinions over wine. A lot of people like his opinions, or at least find them worth reading.
The list of people who think they are interesting includes me, Aristotle, and Dominus.
For the record, I find myself in agreement with his basic complaints about Perl (if not about Larry Wall). If I cared more about programming language aesthetics, I'd have left Perl long ago because of this. But I don't, so I haven't.
Cheers,
BenRe:Who is Steve Yegge?
Aristotle on 2006-03-19T06:42:30
Thanks for giving Randal the good answer I couldn’t come up with since getting over my initial reaction.
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
Aristotle on 2006-03-19T07:09:04
PS.:
Unless I missed something, he now works at Google, not for a startup.
The reason I just disregard anything he thinks about Perl is that he poisons the well by characterising those who like list flattening as Perl zombies. That crosses the line from reasonable criticism to pure partisanship, which I couldn’t care less about.
His ad hominem attacks against Larry just seal the matter.
Re:Who is Steve Yegge?
Aristotle on 2006-03-19T07:39:38
PPS. (getting long, I know):
For whomever these names are known figures, the list of people who find his writings interesting further includes Ryan Tomayko, Bill de hÓra, Tim Bray and Sam Ruby.
